FUN and its dead wieght

( + values indicate weekly growth)
ORFEK +39 , been in fun since 20/1/09. To slow on growth, WAY to slow on moving to the SH

Pocoyo +37 been in FUN since 29/1/09. To slow to grow, WAY to slow on moving into the SH

Snipemaster (283) +14 Been in fun since 25/2/09, joined the server on 1/12/08. This guy wouldnt even make the criteria for LITE, yet is allowed to sit in FUN

Meatballs (138) +36. why is a player who wouldnt make it in LITE allowed in FUN. Unless this is a player from a previous server who is known by leaders to be good (which i doubt since he is growing so slow), then why is he in fun, and why arent we waiting till he is 300 like everyone else.

Alextopia +36 2 villages
potter +12 with 2 villages
AbnerV +33 2 villages
yogev +35 2 villages


I cant find anyone in FLANK under 100, most sit 100-300, even gray21 our only player with 2 villages still grew 122 last week.

Lite's under 50
Namroth +43
hiLikUs +46
Diaperboy +35
Horse whisperer +44
Burnerman +43
those with 2 villages
FZE +30
bozenwrath +35

there are way way to many FUN and LITE players who grow by 2-5 pop a day, even with 2 villages, that means they log on once, build something, then come back the next day and do the same. in other words, PERFECT FARMS. Whats even more shameful is that LITE only has 3 more players without a 2nd village compared to FUN. I mean come on guys, do you want alliances to look at us and think, mmmmhmmm they look tasty, or ....mmmm dont think itll be worth going there.

If this alliance wants to set reasonable goals, heres a good one, minmum +50 pop per week per village. Thats totally reasonable. thats only +7 a day which requires 2-4 construction. If people cant get on here 2-3 times a day, even for just 5 min then they arent the sort of people we want in our alliance.

Something needs to be done

i dont think meatball or whatever is anyone from last server and i know most of them...and also killjill could you link a site i can check growth on?(i know some but id like to see the one you use) and also i think +75 pop or more...makes sense cuz we need to show we are a worthy alliance not some slack place for farms to hide...

EAM

http://www.traviandope.com/

This website does daily scans, shows the players growth each day and for past 9 days, including breakdown of each villages growth. also in events you can see things like when they joined, when they started their account.

I use this website to find farms, i look for both inactive and players with very small daily growth rates, which shows me there is alot of res there, all i need to do then is sucker them in with a few IGM and i know exactly when they are online and so i time my guys to hit a hours or so before. And like i said alot of these names above id farm if they we close with growth like that

thanks killjill but yea its a shame we have such small players who arnt trying to catch up...WOW lol i just realized my most active farms seem to be giving out the most LOL

Diaperboy is now kicked. Unfortunately it was for the wrong kind of activity (breaking NAPs, which are now broken from the other side anyway).

I agree that many of these players are growing too slow. Better to be a smaller alliance without a long tail. Also, these players would make good farms.

Here are three options:
a) Kick them now. I bet I know who will vote for this one.
b) Give them three days to see whether they reply to this thread.
c) Send them an IGM with their one and only warning that if they have not improved in a week they are gone.

What do people think? What kind of policy should we have towards those who are not inactive, but just underactive?

Kick and farm!!!! Im all for it! Words I live by for Travian - Quality over Quantity!! This is a war game not a day care!

V-La wrote:Kick and farm!!!! Im all for it! Words I live by for Travian - Quality over Quantity!! This is a war game not a day care!

That depends. LITE is about growth, thats the point of it, i think LITE members get a warning, if the leaders think they are worthy of one. BUT the fun members, no kick em, id say farm them too but im no where near them

KICK AND RAID

the_killjill wrote:

V-La wrote:Kick and farm!!!! Im all for it! Words I live by for Travian - Quality over Quantity!! This is a war game not a day care!

That depends. LITE is about growth, thats the point of it, i think LITE members get a warning, if the leaders think they are worthy of one. BUT the fun members, no kick em, id say farm them too but im no where near them

Oh I dont mean kick just cause of growth, the question is why arent they growing. If they arent growing and there troop counts are shit, LITE or NOT I say kick! If they arent growing nor are they participating much, basically being inactive without going yellow or red KICK AND FARM!! If they are growing a wee bit slow but are very active and participate then I dont feel they should be kicked but I would set up a personal goal plan for them! No sense in having members that are lone warriors and do there own thing thats not what an Alliance is about Even if they are growing quick and have a ton of troops if they arent working with the alliance and helping team mates then I say KICK, FARM and get hero XP. Get my point?

For what it's worth, I was asked to be sitting partners with potter way back when yoz posted it here on the forum. I sent an igm right away and never received a response. I was never added as a sitter. Told yoz that I tried, and that I didn't want fingers pointed at me when he gets yellow dots...

I dont think the pop count should be the determining factor but rather growth percentage... this way it is fairly equal throughout the alliance....
Being a larger player, getting 100 pop a week is extremely easy, I can almost do it in one day...
10% is my minimum that I implied when I ran a division in KOAR...
thats 300 for me which isnt that hard... but still makes you log in 4-10 times a day...
Active... which is good...
being a low pop...
100 pop growing 10 a week... how hard is that????

10% is way to little, by that weekly growth will be 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17...takes over a month to go 100-200, no thankyou. I think 50 a week per village is a good Minimum. I also think that if you are 400+ and you dont have a 2nd village, you are doing something very very wrong and wasting your res elsewhere. most players should be aiming for 250-300, max 350 for pop when starting settlers.

Pop is not the be all and end all of Travian, but its a great indicator. the bigger you are, the bigger your army can be, and should be. players with lower growth rates but have significantly increase troop counts are fine, if a player is reported as having slow growth for a week and says "hey i was producing settlers" then thats fine. that leads to the most important point, activity, this doesnt just mean being online, but participating in the alliance, do they register and post on the forums, do they respond to officers IGM, do they send boosts when asked, do the rein when asked.

But for all that, growth is without a doubt the best indicator for such players

Good summary KJ. Yes 10% growth in a week is too low.

the_killjill wrote:( + values indicate weekly growth)
ORFEK +39 , been in fun since 20/1/09. To slow on growth, WAY to slow on moving to the SH

Pocoyo +37 been in FUN since 29/1/09. To slow to grow, WAY to slow on moving into the SH

Snipemaster (283) +14 Been in fun since 25/2/09, joined the server on 1/12/08. This guy wouldnt even make the criteria for LITE, yet is allowed to sit in FUN

Meatballs (138) +36. why is a player who wouldnt make it in LITE allowed in FUN. Unless this is a player from a previous server who is known by leaders to be good (which i doubt since he is growing so slow), then why is he in fun, and why arent we waiting till he is 300 like everyone else.

Alextopia +36 2 villages
potter +12 with 2 villages
AbnerV +33 2 villages
yogev +35 2 villages


I cant find anyone in FLANK under 100, most sit 100-300, even gray21 our only player with 2 villages still grew 122 last week.

Something needs to be done

ORFEK, pocoyo, and potter have been kicked from Main. Main was requested specifically by a member of Flank leadership to invite AbnerV into our wing, so if anyone has a problem with him as a player, I suggest you discuss it with them. Meatballs is a RL friend of one of Main's members who has experience from a previous server and is growing rather well for just having joined our server a few weeks ago.

I believe that it would have been more constructive for you to have taken this up with leadership from any wing prior to posting this in the forum as it was something that could have been easily dealt with and explained without causing issues.

I was the one who requested AbnerV be allowed in. At that stage he had been growing well and had also performed some very useful service for us. I will have a word with him and see how he is going.