CWL.

I had a talk with one of the CWL leaders riko. This is our skype chat.

[11:13:35] riko says: hi
[11:14:06] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: heya man
[11:14:19] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: whats up ?
[11:14:19] riko says: first thing
[11:14:25] riko says: I'm new chief of CWL
[11:14:37] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: Gz on the promotion
[11:14:38] riko says: I'm co-leader with insane
[11:15:05] riko says: I don't think I'm happy
[11:15:11] riko says: it's a lot of responsability
[11:15:14] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: ah
[11:15:19] riko says: to lead these damn big guys
[11:15:19] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: too much time consuming ?
[11:15:30] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: ye i think i get you there
[11:15:38] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: too many pro players demand a good leadership
[11:15:52] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i dont think i could do it
[11:15:53] riko says: yes
[11:15:56] riko says: ok
[11:15:59] riko says: so enough about me
[11:16:06] riko says: I need to know more about u
[11:16:09] riko says: and ur ally
[11:16:14] riko says: they are rutine questions
[11:16:15] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: I am co leader of FUN alliance
[11:16:20] riko says: this conversation never happened
[11:16:23] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: we are alliance that came here
[11:16:25] riko says: understood?
[11:16:28] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: ok
[11:16:32] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: from last s6
[11:16:38] riko says: yes
[11:16:40] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: we merged with EMC , if you know
[11:16:40] riko says: what about MNU?
[11:16:43] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: who they are
[11:16:45] riko says: ur friends?
foes?
[11:16:52] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: MNU attacked us on start of server
[11:16:56] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: attacked me
[11:17:04] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i was chief of OP's
[11:17:07] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: - organizing deff
[11:17:11] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: and we got a medal
[11:17:14] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: for deff
[11:17:20] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: so they approached to us
[11:17:25] riko says: yes
[11:17:27] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: Sarah did their diplomat
[11:17:27] riko says: so
[11:17:33] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: and said that they were impressed with us
[11:17:34] riko says: omg
[11:17:37] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: thus offered a NAP
[11:17:37] riko says: excuse me
[11:17:39] riko says: brb in 3 minutes
[11:17:43] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: sure
[11:17:44] riko says: need to go outside
[11:17:44] riko says: urgent
[11:17:49] riko says: thx
[11:22:02] riko says: back
[11:22:20] riko says: so
[11:22:26] riko says: beside u and MNU
[11:22:28] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: wb
[11:22:32] riko says: what other alliances are in NW?
[11:22:43] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: NIkani
[11:22:51] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: and some of Culture
[11:22:55] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: and thats it i think
[11:22:58] riko says: but not big,no?
[11:23:02] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: those are the biggest ones
[11:23:32] riko says: hmm
[11:23:46] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: wanted to say that
[11:23:51] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: when H merged with MNU
[11:23:56] riko says: yes
[11:23:58] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: they seem to not be well organized
[11:24:02] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i've been on their forum
[11:24:07] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: and i can see that ppl are not pleased
[11:24:10] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: with each other
[11:24:17] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: also H are very separatistic
[11:24:27] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: if you read the public forum
[11:24:35] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: you could see separatistic comments made by H
[11:25:08] riko says: you mean Heroes,right?
[11:25:14] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: yap
[11:25:27] riko says: hmmm
[11:25:38] riko says: so,defence you have
[11:25:42] riko says: and u can cary out an war
[11:25:53] riko says: but in combat are u good?
[11:26:00] riko says: I mean attacking the opponent
[11:26:11] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: why do you want to know ?
[11:26:24] riko says: let me explain
[11:26:34] riko says: MNU will try to expand
[11:26:45] riko says: they already have friends in NE
[11:26:48] riko says: Lod and Sus
[11:26:57] riko says: they soon will want to take control of NW
[11:27:02] riko says: and after that come in SW
[11:27:05] riko says: after CWL
[11:27:09] riko says: what we can do
[11:27:15] riko says: a plan
[11:27:22] riko says: CWL can help FUN defending
[11:27:33] riko says: and CWL can attack together with FUN MNU
[11:27:50] riko says: but I need to know the exact info about FUN
[11:27:54] riko says: if the can carry on a war
[11:28:06] riko says: if they are more than capable and devoted to take control of NW
[11:28:17] riko says: we just want to secure our borders and neighbours
[11:28:41] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: what diplomatic relationship would FUN and CWL have then
[11:28:41] riko says: If u say u don't want to attack or just scared of them,tell me and it's not a problem
[11:29:58] riko says: first of all we have a common enemy
[11:30:08] riko says: our priority is to attack them
[11:30:24] riko says: that means we will not attack eachother
[11:30:31] riko says: a unofficial nap
[11:30:43] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: sure so foes doesnt see it
[11:30:53] riko says: second of all...this war will last long
[11:31:08] riko says: so it's not the idea time to talk about our realations
[11:31:12] riko says: we will just shake hands to kick MNU
[11:31:19] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: yes but
[11:31:23] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i am considering endgame
[11:31:24] riko says: it's a win-win situation for both of us
[11:31:49] riko says: yeah,but this decision it's not all mine if u understand me
[11:31:54] riko says: I have a staff...
[11:31:57] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: yes of course
[11:32:33] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i'll tell you
[11:32:34] riko says: so,u are with us?
[11:32:38] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: my personal view of the situation
[11:32:43] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i dont like MNU
[11:32:47] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i would like to be
[11:32:47] riko says: yes
[11:32:52] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: in relationship with CWL
[11:32:56] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: but
[11:32:59] riko says: do u think MNU have spies in ur ally?
[11:33:02] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i dont want fun to be used
[11:33:15] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: in keeping MNU busy
[11:33:20] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: while others build up WW
[11:33:26] riko says: yeah,I said it's gonna be a win-win situation
[11:33:34] riko says: do u think CWL wants to start a quadran war?
[11:33:42] riko says: do u think I will risk my huge armies to NW?
[11:34:00] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: well the thing on s7
[11:34:13] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: one quadrant
[11:34:19] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: in which C alliance was
[11:34:23] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: wasnt peacefull
[11:34:25] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: there were wars
[11:34:34] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: in SE there was peace
[11:34:38] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: SE won
[11:34:46] riko says: dude
[11:34:52] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: because C wes busy fighting its quadrant war and plus other quadrant
[11:34:54] riko says: I'm talking about a war
[11:35:01] riko says: that will start from let's say a month
[11:35:06] riko says: and will end in other 2-3 months
[11:35:19] riko says: with will be pleanty of time left for WW
[11:35:24] riko says: the WW will start in december
[11:35:33] riko says: this war will finish in summer
[11:36:19] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: so you would be willing to send armies to NW on MNU ?
[11:36:52] riko says: if we have someone there to finish them
[11:36:54] riko says: yes
[11:37:07] riko says: try to understand
[11:37:20] riko says: we can clear borders and we can go un to their heart
[11:37:24] riko says: with attacks
[11:37:31] riko says: but they have many villages in deep NW
[11:37:41] riko says: there u can step in and attack them
[11:37:46] riko says: and finish them off
[11:37:56] riko says: they will just regenerate after our attacks
[11:38:10] riko says: that is why I keep asking u about ur offenceive status
[11:39:35] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i see
[11:39:44] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: well riko my man
[11:39:47] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i do have co leaders as well
[11:39:53] riko says: yes
[11:39:57] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: this will be talked about
[11:39:59] riko says: plz talk with ur 100% trusted members
[11:40:06] riko says: we don't want to attack MNU
[11:40:08] riko says: but if u guys decide
[11:40:14] riko says: to take control of NW
[11:40:18] riko says: we will gladly help
[11:40:38] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: nice
[11:40:47] riko says: because MNU is a ally full with arogant people
[11:40:56] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: agreed on that
[11:41:01] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: they dont respect NAP
[11:41:04] riko says: yes
[11:41:05] riko says: I have friends
[11:41:06] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: and we had to remind them several times
[11:41:12] riko says: that wanna move from NW
[11:41:17] riko says: they agreed with MNU to let them move
[11:41:24] riko says: but they attacked them
[11:41:31] riko says: I'm so furious on them
[11:41:48] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: ye they are not true to their words
[11:42:21] riko says: when u will be able to reply me?
[11:42:30] riko says: I mean when u will chat with ur co-leaders
[11:42:54] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: i will post it right away on forum
[11:42:58] riko says: nooo
[11:43:00] riko says: not on forum
[11:43:04] riko says: everyone will see it
[11:43:04] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: closed section of forum
[11:43:26] riko says: don't make them confuse
[11:43:45] riko says: CWL is not declaring war on MNU
[11:43:58] riko says: but if u guys decide to declare
[11:44:11] riko says: we will be behind u guys with def and off
[11:44:49] riko says: I mean,no one must know that CWL is a part of this
[11:44:52] riko says: only when u guys decide
[11:45:00] riko says: than we will join u guys
[11:45:05] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: ok i think that
[11:45:07] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: we will need
[11:45:10] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: to make a
[11:45:15] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: grp on skype in which
[11:45:19] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: few leaders will come
[11:45:30] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: by that i mean our friends as well
[11:45:34] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: so i will
[11:45:37] Igor Dautovic|Cursez says: get back to you

What you guys think ?

DZ|CZ

A true leadership sector post, at last...

Will talk to you by phone

In Serbia we have a saying... "Ni kod B nema za Dz"
Meaning that everyone wants something in return.

My personal feeling against MNU are mixed. They attacked my mate at the start of the server, they attacked a lot of FUNsters and when LITE was made, MNU members were the only one attacking us, sometimes even after the NAPs. They think we where closer to NwM then them, so they don't trust us, and eventually, one day they will have to eliminate us [or make us join them] so they can have their own Pax Romana which can give them the edge in the WW stage of the game.

I don't like them, but I am not ready to sound the charge tune because its the little guys of this alliance that are going to die.

My ideas are to let a few people stay out of the conflict if possible so they can build up great offensive armies, make those that wont be able to help with offense to switch to defense and prepare for war. I would also suggest we abandon the defense of our Non-SH villages totally [for EVERYONE] and to prepare for the upcoming conflict.

"Si vis pacem, para bellum"

And now...

I can let loose...

Fighty! Fighty! Fighty!

Blood! Blood! Blood!

I'm not sure what to think, though think there is no reason to give up non-SH villages without a fight. We showed what we can still do with the def of Rowsey.

BGS wrote:I'm not sure what to think, though think there is no reason to give up non-SH villages without a fight. We showed what we can still do with the def of Rowsey.

Against a minor raiding force. Blackand, an account that i control has 2300+ axes and two villages. What can we expect from people with 5 villages and much larger offensive score?

I can speak for Flank only.
Recently, I did some thinking and came to a conclusion that Flank wing is consisted of 30 pure elite people.

MNU has some 380 people, of which, imo, 200 are worthless. That leaves us with 180 good people, against ~100 of ours, and that is impossible. We won't embark on attacking them without a good support, and if we work out our diplomacy well, we will have support.

I suggest Main in particular to start a military campaign to vastly improve it's troop numbers. This is important.

The conversation is mixed. CWL is asking for us to finsh MNU off if they attack. Then, later in the convo, they say that we (FUN) starts the war, and they will support us. MNU has 7? wings and we have 3. Pure numbers. We are set for defense. We can muster an offense, but we would be overwhelmed. There are some of our members who have multiple villages that aren't in the SH. It would be very easy to have the "ouranga-thingy" effect on them. BGS, last server ouranga have 8 vills and didn't settle in the SH. We knew about week in advance that an operation to hit him was in the planning stages. He got blown out and there wasn't much we could do to help him.

Not sure if I would put in with CWL yet. Keep all options open. One thing might be to talk to the strong alliances in each quadrant and string them along. When the endgame comes, we put in with the one that appears to be on top.

Ok, we will do what's best.

Dootzkie wrote:

BGS wrote:I'm not sure what to think, though think there is no reason to give up non-SH villages without a fight. We showed what we can still do with the def of Rowsey.

Against a minor raiding force. Blackand, an account that i control has 2300+ axes and two villages. What can we expect from people with 5 villages and much larger offensive score?

Dootzkie , do you know how much deff Flank has in starting villages ?

DZ|CZ

DZ|Cursez wrote:

Dootzkie wrote:

BGS wrote:I'm not sure what to think, though think there is no reason to give up non-SH villages without a fight. We showed what we can still do with the def of Rowsey.

Against a minor raiding force. Blackand, an account that i control has 2300+ axes and two villages. What can we expect from people with 5 villages and much larger offensive score?

Dootzkie , do you know how much deff Flank has in starting villages ?

DZ|CZ

I presume that ratio is at 1:2,5 average.

The question is not about how much, but is it enough.

Further more, i would encourage the relations with CWL, but i would discourage any major actions against MNU. We can try to keep CWL around, but only as protection. This wont last long but any time given to us to prepare is good news.

Dootzkie, I fully expect that some/many/most/all of us will lose our starting villages at some point. But when an attack is coming with enough warning to get a few villages' defence together against it, then at the very least we can make the attacker pay a very high price for hitting us. This is far from worthless. Co-ordinating the defences of starting villages still makes a lot of sense to me.

Btw this is TOP SECRET and never ever tell any1 about this. Just wanted to say this and will post what i think about this subject soon.

DZ|CZ

Ok this is what my thoughts are. Please do not tell any1 who doesnt belong here. This is TOP SECRET and in order for it to work , it must be kept secret.

I would like to attack MNU along side CWL. One of their leaders , Justin_PFF is my very good m8. I asked him waht are odds for CWL to have confed with FUN if we break MNU. He said he will put it to discussion. FUN lacks of off armies. That is where our dear friends Nikani jump in. We have great diplomatic relationship and they would like to attack MNU. So proposition is this - We together with CWL attack MNU. If we win, and i really think we might , FUN and Nikani will control NW. When i proposed , in a joke, a joint name FUNIkani to their leader , she said she really like it Later on with FUN & Nikani rulling NW we might even confed with CWL. This war will bond us i am sure. Now just immagine , united FUN-Nikani-CWL. Just immagine. People if everything goes well , by that i mean no backstabbing , i'd say we will be closest than ever for claiming a win. In our starting villages Flank has lot of defense troops. I beg FUN Main to start serious campain of training troops in starting villages. This is our chance people. I dont intend to sound harsh but i do not care about little guys. I would sacrifice them for the greater good. Also its unfair for the bigger and devoted player to lose a game caus ewe care about little ones. Many among the little ones dont even contribute. Also there is a big "but" here. Small members are closer to SH. They will surely suffer less dmg than the bigh ones , us. I am for answering CWL call and crushing MNU as they deserve to be crushed.

DZ|CZ

What are our relations with Nikani like? How firm? How much do we trust them? We would have to work more closely with them than CWL in both the short and longer term.

My friendship with Hera and Hermes , their leaders , is one of the best relationships i had in the gamer world ever. I trust her and she trust me 100%.

DZ|CZ