FUN's stance in a possible alliance with NWM, and NAP with MNU

FUNsters, please place your thoughts on the topic. Also note that NWM is at war with =H= wings.

yes big mouth has to say something...lol

Well in my opinion I believe forming a nap/confed with these two alliances would be a great move on our part..I think it would greatly benefit us for the time being, in the future I dont know but we will cross that bridge when we get there.

BUT

Realistically are we at a position where we could even be able to help out twords this war they are currently in? Is our troops up to par? It would be senseless to throw away what little bit we do have to help out if we wouldnt be of help anyway. I doubt the offer would stilll stand once there war issues have blown over but if it did I would say I most definately wouldnt be opposed to a nap/confed.

So to this question I say Yes i think we should consider it and weigh out the pros and cons especially if you think that we could be of help to them!
However if we do not have the means to deliver what is expected of us then we would really have no choice but to put it on hold and try at another time.

This would be a great help to let us develop in peace for a while, increase production, get troops, etc. Also we can gain powerful allies if we show them what we got.
But can we keep up with them troop wise? and if not Will this represent a problem with them?
What i don't want is that we don't fulfill there expectancies and end the NAP and get attacked by them while we are vulnerable.
Dont think im being negative or anything but some of the Funsters aren't ready for attacks from big no-life players in the game.


EDIT

After talking about this topic, there has been some concerns regarding this decision.
First. After the war is over the only people affected in troops will be the ones defending (us) that is a great weakness.
Second. Honestly the idea about protecting somebody to get a confed/NAP is kinda unreasonable because the only ones that have something to lose is us.
Third. As many of us know and in case new players don't know, a confed/NAP can be canceled at ANY time. What can reassure us that they wont cancel it and attack us?
And lastly Simmy brought a great point wouldn't it be better for us to help them in attacking the =H= alliance rather then leaving us defenseless by sending our troops to defend them against =H=

At the time of this post, FUN*F has a confederation with NwM and a NAP with MNU. There has also been much emphasis put on producing defensive troops for some in coming action. Judging the the tone of the vocabulary used by VAO in his latest MM, I would assume we have a choice to aid the war or not with our troops. On that note, it appears as if we're leaning towards the option of yes- we are aiding a war that was not ours to begin with.

I now speak as several things, but above all, I am a war lover. I am a person that enjoys the pillaging villages, the crushing of troops as well as the destruction of ever useful cropfields and granaries. However, my interest in war, like most people, is on the attack side of the war, not on the defensive side.

From the obvious and the less obvious messages that I have received, I have gathered that we, or at least I, will be used to defend NwM. We will be asked to sacrifice our troops to help defend them from their enemies in exchange for peace and an alliance with them. To me, this is more or less succumbing to their terms which benefit them to a much higher degree than it does with us.

To me, the best way for us to buy their alliance, is to help ourselves. If we were to attack the smaller members of =h=, I am sure NwM and MNU would realize we are on their side of the war, or at least share a common enemy with them. I have confidence, that they would have approached us with that option on their own.

Safety in travian, to me, is worth so little that I spit in it's face. It does, indeed, more or less neglect the point of the game. Although amounts of it from certain forces do appeal to me as worthwhile, I would not pay a great deal for it. Likewise, The object which people can offer me most is enjoyment in this game. I could write several pages, on why we play games the point of games and themes of that genre, but time is of the essence here.

Personally, I would gain the most enjoyment out of an offensive stance, if any. I believe we established that FUN would be more offensive this time around before the server started and i intend to stick to that. To act as an auxiliary shield of NwM is a violation of this belief. Needless to say, Attacking =h= of our own free will doesn't violate this belief, rather it would follow up with flying colors.

Simmy
Over and Out
For now.

Hm FUN should attack? We and what offensive army? Let me remind you what happened when i was raiding a 11 pop village - MNU sent 2 big guys with catapults. Now what would happen if the entire FUN starts raiding an serious alliance - they would completely invade us.

Also defense is 1/2 of the game whats wrong with it ? Defense is much stronger than the offense because of the numbers,walls and the fact that defense is much faster regenerated than the offense.

The thing you must know is that - we are not defenseless. When we are attacked we will ask NwM to send their hammers at the target. We supply the defense , they attack. Plus we wont be the only ones sending defense.

You must all understand that odds are in our favor. So no need to be afraid. So when the war is over we will have strong and united NW without any threat to us.

DZ|CZ

CZ, I can tell you with a serious voice and mind that that plan will not fail us if we intend to do well in this game. But to be honest with you, I did not come back to win this server. I came back to have a damn good time. I ask you one serious question mate, Do you honestly play games just to win, and does winning in travian, through defending some big ally, and letting them do the attacking, appeal to you as fun?

It is partially right that we will be fighting their war. We have 2 choices:

1) To join them as allies now, to fight ALONGSIDE them. Me and Cursez have had some serious talks with them, and we are on the sure way of forming the NW Triumvirate. That means that we will probably be allied with them until the end of server, and isn't that just great. So, what we have now, is an alliance where we are considered equals, and not lesser. We have our authonomy, and we will be in war, and helping in the best way we can.
It was in my opinion that we can only contribute enough with defense. There are 3k crop eating hammers with masses of catapults out there, how in a world can we reach that level. So, I have chosen defense.
Believe it or not, NwM proposed this all to me some 2 weeks ago. We were in talks since then. Yes, THEY proposed it to US, seeing that we are the last worthy neutral NW alliance. MNU's diplomat PROPOSED a NAP to US. Yes, they talked to Cursez saying how they were impressed by our performance in defense.
BOTH of these alliances have 'join us or die', a non-confed policy. They have changed all that so they could confed/ally with us. I think that you guys can't comprehend that yet.

2) We can sim in the SH, prepare for what's to come later on. We would have no wars or stuff. The only option for us would be to join another alliance. To merge.

No, we will be EQUAL ALLIES to the big ones, to the end, and go straight for victory.

A reply for those who think that we are trying to buy this confed/NAP:

Again, they came to us. They proposed stuff.
Tell me, if we go to war, what should we do? Attack with 150 clubs? The time of 150 clubs has passed when 6th day of the server was over.
We cannot keep up with them in offense. We can only contribute by defense. If we go to war, and if we are under attack, we will use that defense for ourselves. If we are not under attack, we will use it to help our allies. It's as simple as that.

I really dunno where you guys found the 'we are trying to buy peace with them'. We are allied with the largest alliences in NW.

VAO, your logic in the scenario's you stated is flawless on that part, I'll give you credit for that. You are correct, If they came to us, then they most likely do consider us equals, and the likelihood of them striking us back down is significantly lower. However, In my eyes, and I will not even attempt to speak for the alliance on this one, is that i would prefer assuming an auxiliary offense position as opposed to an auxiliary defense position.

The rough plan that popped into my head was that we'd attack when all out war has occurred. NwM has their eye on us, likewise with MNU, and when they are attacking =h= and we help them by working up from the =h= ladder, they will acknowledge our contributions. However, I assume they want us for our defensive abilities, and we'll need to work around that if we do want to take up an offensive stance.

Simmy... They want us in war. To help.

I replied that we can help with defense. Why?

Because, we had that wonderful defense against MNU that proved that we are good at defense. You should've seen how impressed both NwM and MNU was by that. So, I had a choice, to say:

-OK, we will help you guys in war, send attacks of 85 clubswingers who will have 500+ defenses. Of course, I could've launched a campaign to increase our offense instead of defense, it wouldn't be as effective. No way.

-Ok, we will help with defense (because they already know we are good at it). Every member can have 200 units asap, and we will be helping in the best way he can. And, the best way is where we are the strongest. Defense. It's not that they need us to be auxiliaries. I proposed that, because I knew that's the only thing we can be effective enough at.

VersusAllOdds wrote:Every member can have 200 units asap

Every member? Of both wings?

Lets see what we know

MNU+NwM against =H=.
This will strain their resources.

A method of gaining resources that we all know to be efficient is farming.

We made a dent into MNUs army with our defense and i have faith that we can make another stance... And another...

We are now considered as a sour bite for a long term farming.

All the sides will strain their resources and will not waste it on a secondary target.
Going with the Confed will make us the primary targets.

Sergeant Simmy wrote:...
To me, the best way for us to buy their alliance, is to help ourselves. If we were to attack the smaller members of =h=
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For now.

...And the little guys are going to get fucked.
I said this in the chat, in the IGMs, in the PMs, in the Leadership Room.

I am for this alliance, but only when enough FUNsters are moved to the SH.

We got a red bull [pun not intended] that hates blue color and we have a blue bull that hates red color.
We are presently [almost] neutral, and while changing color would remove the danger from one bull it would bring the hazard from the other colored side.

In my country (all the Serbs present are aware of this, so this is only for non-Serb guys) is something called Partizanska Spomenica.

In World War II (that started in 1941 here), a lot of Serbs became partizans. But, not all joined the anti-axis movement straight away. Only those who joined the partizans in 1941 received the Partizanska Spomenica (a kind of a medal) when the war was won. That medal secured some insurances, better pensions and some stuff like that.

So, only those who join IN THE BEGINING can fully profit from victory. Those who join when the victory is more likely to happen gain less.

I'm working on having one World Wonder. But while you are blinded by boosting and sending MMs for building crannies and stuff (what I did a month ago), we have a war going on.

If we were to help them with their war, I would advise not to instantly become allies with them. Instead, do a NAP. This way it would be less obvious to their enemies that we were providing defense to them. Kind of secretive. This would in turn protect us at the same time.

General conscensus from IGMs that I (we) have received is that we (the wing of FUN) go NAP with NWM/MNU. If they approached us, why wasn't FUN offered the same courtesy FUN*F was in setting up diplomatic talks?

As the FUN wing members reply to me, it would seem that our members are open to NAP. Shall I approach NWM/MNU using FUN*F as a reference, or shall I wait for NWM/MNU to think about approaching us (wing of FUN)?

Are there any members who outwardly oppose a NAP with them?