Why We Did What We Did

I am not asking that everyone who reads this post agrees with me. I know that many of you are extremely upset, and I agree that you all have every right to be. What I am asking is that you read the entire post, evaluate whether or not it makes sense to you, and decide what you want to do in response to it.

Many of you know that there has been a steadily growing rift between the wings of FUN for some time. FUN was originally founded last server with a simple premise in mind: grow our members to become one of the best alliances in the server and treat everyone with respect and equality, no matter how big or small a player they are. That premise has been absent in one of the FUN wings for some time, almost, one could argue, since they were formed. Anyone who is active in the forum has seen the inflammatory posts from members of that wing accusing Main of being "worse than Lite", of being "useless", of being full of farms, etc. Anyone who is active in the forum has seen multiple posts where members of one wing demanded over and over again that we kick people who they felt were too small, questioning leadership's judgement in inviting them without thinking to ask the simple question in an IGM of why they were invited in the first place. Last server, we were a family. If anyone from any wing asked for help, it was given, no questions asked. That is not the case anymore, and many of the members from last server can attest to the truth in that statement.

There have been other issues as well. Smallers members have had their oases attacked with catas because a bigger member from the other wing felt they should have it without waiting for a response to an IGM from that smaller member. Smaller members were unable to take croppers that they had followed the proper procedure about reserving because a larger member who didn't follow procedure swooped in and took it. There was no avenue of recourse for any of this - there was nowhere for the smaller members to turn.

In short, an attitude was prevalent in that one wing that was very disrespectful to the alliance as a whole.

Another key principle of FUN that made it such a great alliance in the past was the formation of a leadership core that worked together to take actions that were best for the alliance as a whole. Let me repeat that - best for the alliance AS A WHOLE. Many actions were untaken by representatives of one group of leadership without their bringing the entire group of leadership into the mix until after it was too late for us to voice an opinion. The decision to locate the SH in an area with limited croppers and much closer to the action than a lot of the smaller members were ready for was made without a leadership consensus. In part, that was the fault of some leaders, myself being one of them, that were unable to respond as speedily as some felt was necessary due to real life issues. But, the decision was made by two out of the group, and MMs were sent out to finalize the deal before consensus could be reached.

It was the alliance with NwM that was agreed to by two members of leadership that put FUN on MNU's map as an untrustworthy alliance. It was their decision to secretly send NwM resources and defenses that caused MNU to consider dropping NAPs with us. They can't be blamed for that decision - FUN was talking diplomacy and entering into confeds with them while going behind their backs and reinforcing and supplying their enemies. It was actions such as this that started to give FUN a very bad reputation on this server.

A month or so ago, a post was made in the leadership section of the forum describing a secret alliance that two of our leaders had entered into with CWL. CWL wanted to enter into a war with MNU, and they wanted our help with it. At first, they said they wanted us to help clean up MNU when the war was winding down. Then things changed and we were expected to hold down the fort and bear the brunt of the attacks without being able to strike back until the cavalry arrived. Main leadership questioned this from the beginning because we were concerned that a lot of our members stood to lose a lot of their resources and villages. Our questions went unanswered for a very long time. Agreements were made without those answers being given. MNU started to attack us because they knew about the CWL-FUN plot from the beginning. Main took huge casualties. We were told to tell our members not to retaliate. We were told not to tell anyone the main reason why - that cavalry was coming and we were just a distraction for MNU to lose troops with so CWL can come in and war with them for real. We protested this - we were told this was the way it had to be. We said that being hit like that was bad for the members' morale - we were told that if we were concerned with members' morale, we could feel free to suicide those members and that Main leadership needed to get better control over their people. We were also told to order our members to boost three members in Flank so they could prepare hammers. When we agreed to do this, but asked that one or two of the larger members of Main be subject to targeted boosts to build hammers as well, the request was withdrawn, stating that boosting so many people would be "ineffective".

In the same post, we were told that FUN and Nikani could wait out the war in the NW and rule the NW in a merge. Now, as many of you have already seen today, those same people are calling Nikani "deceitful lying assholes". Many of you may remember a heartfelt post from Sarah-here asking why leadership was picking on one of the leaders, saying what a great guy he was and how much respect she had for him. That same leader wrote a post in the leadership section calling her an "untrustworthy bitch".

FUN's good name is being tarnished beyond recall by the double dealing, bad attitudes, and betrayals of one wing of the alliance. And that wing is not feeling the consequences of their actions, the other two are. With our hands tied, we looked for solutions, looked to find some way to get MNU to stop attacking the people who did not betray them, who took confeds seriously, who really valued every single member of the alliance. Thanks to the diplomatic efforts of one individual, we entered into a relationship with Nikani and last night we became a wing of theirs. Our most important goal in all this was to get the MNU attacks to stop and allow all our members to rebuild and grow strong again. Our second goal was to distance ourselves from the people who were destroying the name and the founding principles of FUN. And, lastly, we wanted to ally with an alliance that Flank had a confed with in the hopes that they would not retaliate against our members, but would go their way in peace and let us go our way as well.

Many of you also disagree with the decision to cut Flank from the forum. While I agree that this seems very un-democratic, the reasoning behind it was that we were told they have their own forum that only Flank members have access to. We questioned why Flank would need that if we are all supposed to be one alliance, working towards the common good of all of its members. We also feel that if they already have their own forum, they don't need this one and them losing access to it would not disrupt their planning or actions.

Again, we can't ask all of you to stand behind all the decisions that were made last night. Our only argument for everything is that we want to have FUN return to what it used to be - a family of good people that look out for each other and take care of each other while growing into one of the best alliances on the server. If you read this post and you don't agree with it, we respect your right to respond in any way you feel you need to, whether it's posting counter arguments, demanding new leadership, or leaving to join Flank. Above all, we would like to see FUN get through this and start healing so we can get back to the business of learning, growing, and being there for each other.

VV

The main issue here is the way you went about the change. You sent out an IGM that was completely ambiguous causing many of us to quit FUN-LITE without understanding the reason therefore making us partners in your coup.

Now I for one am faced with the choice to serve under Nikani leadership when there are reasons I don't wish to do that or rejoin FUN and face MNU attacks with a much smaller alliance to provide backup.

Who is to say Nikani leadership are better than FUN*F?

You had every right as leaders of FUN Main to do what you felt was correct but does that give you the right to effectively trick FUN-LITE members into a move.

It is also completely undemocratic to remove postings by FUN*F leadership in the forum and then locking threads when they are expressing their view. We should be given full access to all information so we can choose based upon seeing all sides opinions. I would suggest you give someone from FUN*F forum access so we can hear their side.

The bad feelings caused by this situation will remain for a long time between many players.

However on a positive note I do recognise that you were trying to protect us from MNU attacks and that I do thank you for. Playing a defensive meat shield is not a good way to play this game.

Hi VV,

I'm keen eye from Lite. I've joined FUN for that same reasons. To enjoy playing Travian as a family. I know its a tough decision you made, but i honestly disagree with the split. I felt i was betraying the team that accepted me into their alliance. Why include the whole FUN*F? not all of them are that "bad." I've had some defensive Ops from some of them.

VV, I'm new and i dont know which side has the best explanation. But will siding with Nikani stop the MNU attacks? Secondly, splitting FUN will not help us in the long run. It just created another enemy.. if that is the case. and of course weakened the SH. On Nikani's side,their leaders would also be cautious of us, because we split from FUN and it would be possible that when things go wrong, we also split from them.

Also, why don't you allow the Flankers to tell their side of the story? Banning them will only breed doubt among us.

Misunderstandings are common since we don't see each others' faces. But like in real family life, there's conflicts but there's always a way to reconcile with one another. Why sacrifice the good times for some sort of conflicts?

I will start by saying, I believe that they shouldnt be banned from the forum, if possible please allow them access to speak, we are doing to them what they did to all of us. In the meantime I will post a message from Cursez as I feel in a way you guys were betrayed into joining main and having it switch to Nikani, and BUT I also believe you guys should choose what you feel would be the right thing to do. So you have VV's side and to be fair, you now have Cursez of Flanks side. I agree'd to the split I just want to claify that!

Greetings. As you know Flank is cut of the forum so we cannot defend ourselves against the accusations and this is the only way to talk to you. I will copy paste this message to every member of Nikani F alliance. They say we were banned from forum cause we have our own – The in game forum is meant to track down and write the names oh the MNU players who send armies at us. We must monitor where are their hammer villages and in game forum is perfect for that, In time it grew to a bit bigger forum but everything what was going on , was on the forumotion forum as well.

Now I will respond to every thing they mentioned in their very large message. You can be the judge of that…

The rift between Fun wings happened some time ago. It was all settled and I really thought that everything is going smoothly. The rift as you most likely know was made because we had 2 extremely active leaders in Flank and 2 very innactive leaders in Main. The reason we “flamed” about how Main sucks is because Main’s leaders didn’t do their job. They were recruiting people from South-East. The main problem is because they cant say “no”. They cant say no to a farm and low population player. Also very important thing is that they want to highlight everything. I totally understand that it has been a tought peroid for you and us with taking hits but were ordered to hold back and not retaliate. We seriously have a plan and we needed you to trust us. Retaliating would draw out even bigger MNU armies and we would be wiped. The casualties of FUN main couldn’t have been bigger than Flanks since we were having defensive OP’s in all 3 wings.

The talk about a smaller member getting catapulted oasis is total crap. Oasis cannot be catapulted, that was a metaphore to make their argument more solid. The thing that really happened is that – a player with 6 cropper non-capitol village took a 50 % crop oasis. That same 50 % crop oasis is in range of a 15 cropper capitol village. Ask any person on the world , and he would agree that 15 cropper capitol > 6 cropper non-capitol. This is total crap because leaders of Main know it but are using this as a bonus in their unhonorable fight against us.

Next thing – Leadership issue. We from Flank were posting everything on our forum in leadership section. We wanted opinons , but we werent getting them. The slacker leaders of Main didn’t care about diplomacy stuff. They were too busy with their real life and thus the slacking and disorganization. You can ask people who got transferred to Flank that they are always getting informations, always know whats going on. Main leaders were too busy and kept their members in dark. I know many Main and Lite people came to us asking whats going on because they don’t get the info. I proposed to start sending MM’s in Fun Main to make dead people alive and informed but Main leaders didn’t agree to that. They intentionally made the gap even bigger so they can do the thing they did – Sold themselves to aalliance that already backstabbed us. The people who got close to Nikani are VersuAllOdds and myself , no1 else. We could have merged thousand of times to NwM, MNU, Nikani but we didn’t want to lose our identity. The act of merge isnt a diplomatic success at all. It’s the lames thing alliance can do. Nikani has a strategy of consuming players from all alliance in NW thus becoming the biggest one , and not the most quality one. Nikani looks like they offer help , but they have actually deceived the leaders making them merge into them because of the sweet talking.

The SH location was totally Main leaders fault. We agreed on a position and couldn’t get their answer for days. Then when most of playhers started getting setlers ready we simply said “ok that’s it , no more waiting, settle there”.

We were loyal to NwM as they were loyal to us. I find that one of the biggest success of diplomacy ever. We had a confederation , not a merge, with the most powerfull alliance of NW. Unfortunatelly their leader went offline for a month ( Believe it or not a submarine cut his internet cable ). If some1 could predict that , I would eat that persons shit. Main was well aware of NwM and they also agreed about helping them out.

The CWL issue had to be kept in darkness. Now I see that my trust wass missplaced when Main leaders decided to tell every about this. Flank through the diplomatic success made confed with NwM, NAP with MNU and now have CWL as our friends. Rkw and VV did nothing. They were never doing enything so they cant say they had successes , as I said merging isnt a success since every alliance would welcome mergers with open arms. So lets summarize – Main leaders wanted to enter an open war with MNU whoch would draw more and more coordinated attacks and more and more catapulted villages. Flank leaders wanted to lay low and were finding a way out of the situation, spending hours and hours on skype talking with various people. And we did find us a way out , we simply needed you to trust us. We would explain everything but we had to keep things hidden. I wasn’t aware that our own leadership were plotting against us making this separation as act of total treason against FUN alliance.

OF course we are calling Nikani deceitful assholes since this is not what a confederation alliance should do – Absorb 50 + members.

The FUN getting a bad name is total rubbish made up by them to make their side a right side. Its totally fake.

This act of treason really shocked me because I had faith in people , and now its totally ruined. I trusted Nikani, they backstabbed us, I trusted rkw and VV and I got backstabbed. I please you to come to your senses. MNU will soon be over and this is not a honorable way of acting. Running away from MNU pitifull attacks , and leaving your own alliance mates aside. Please respond and tell me what you think.

Regards CZ

To reply to some of the points in CZ's post:

1. Kait and I knew before the alliance was formed that we were going to have a lot of real life issues that would not allow us to be playing Travian 24-7. Real life takes precedence over a game - that's just the way it is. We were both open and honest with other members of leadership about this fact before the alliance was formed. We both stated that we would be leaders for the initial part - building an embassy, getting us all into the same alliance, starting folks on the move to the SH - but that once most of us had made it to the SH, we both knew that someone would have to have been groomed to take our places by then because leadership would require time both of us just didn't have. When we were being attacked in the forum for being inactive leaders, I asked VAO and CZ multiple times to be replaced as the leader of Main since I did not have more time to give than I was giving. They could have appointed someone else at any time. They chose not to do this. Instead, they allowed members of their wing to openly flame us and joined in with the flaming.

2. I do not have skype because I do not have a personal pc. My laptop is work-issued and I am not allowed to download any software on it. That being said, I attempted multiple times to get information from VAO and CZ to pass along to Main. I asked them to send me any MMs their wing sent out through an IGM so I could pass them along to my wing. That did not happen. Instead, I was asked to make CZ my sitter so he could send MMs and respond to questions being asked of me. I felt that was inappropriate (my sitters are both friends of mine in real life that I trust 100% and that share a mutual respect with me) and that information could be passed along just as easily if he sent me an MM. I asked them to introduce Kait and I to their contacts in NwM and MNU via mibbit, which I can use. That did not happen. I was left with the unfortunately impression that it was their way or no way, and since I am not able to do things their way for reasons beyond my control, members of Main suffered.

3. I do not understand why the MNU hammers could not be monitored on the FUN forum where the information would be available to everyone in the alliance. That being said, I also do not understand why if it was not posted here because of security issues, why every member of leadership was not made aware of its existance when it was created and invited to use it?

4. We were not recruiting people from the SE. We allowed one or two select individuals from the SE to join us because they were friends in real life with one of our members. This is no different a policy than FUN had on the last server - again, we were a family and we were happy to take on new players based on the recommendation of current members. If they weren't in the right location, we organized a boost and got them there. We did not assume that every new player that joined us was "farm", we educated those that needed educating and many of those people grew into the powerhouse players we have today.

5. Again, I point out that while it is 100% true that our responses were not as timely as they should have been, consensus was not reached on an SH location. We did post our concerns about the location but they were not resolved. I will fault myself for not pressing harder on the issue, but to be fair, I have to fault Flank for sending out the MM to their wing and their wing only with the "final" location of the SH without attempting resolutions with us either.

6. Main leadership never wanted ANY war with MNU to begin with. We raised serious concerns about the ability of all of our members to withstand MNU attacks when the CWL proposal was first brought to our attention. If those concerns could have been satisfied, we would have been onboard. Instead, they were barely discussed. I moved the entire posting from the leadership section to the announcements section so you could see how we tried to address issues and find a solution that wouldn't result in an entire wing getting wiped out.

I still feel that FUN used to be a place where all the members cared about all the members, where leadership made decisions with the entire membership in mind, not just one wing. I don't agree with being told to suicide members if they have bad morale. I don't agree with the leadership from one wing allowing its members to openly flame and disrespect another wing, and then join in on the flaming because that's not something a real leader would do. Imagine if one general in an army allowed his foot soldiers to mouth off to another general - imagine what type of example that would set for all of the troops when it came time to follow orders and fight as one cohesive unit. And I don't agree with playing dirty diplomatically and entering into confeds with an alliance you are secretly aiding in the destruction of.

I have made many mistakes and many choice that not everyone would agree with as a leader of this alliance, but one thing I will stick to no matter what is that I always had the good of the entire alliance at heart when I spoke my mind and took action. I don't pretend that everything I did worked out that way, but that was always and will always be my intent.

If you really want the truth you wouldn’t ban us from forum thus making us unable to have direct contact with people. This makes my defense much harder. Hm its easy to be honest but this is a drag.

You 2 might have had FUN in your hearts but that isnt enough. I have FUN in heart as well , wanna make a competition whose heart is bigger? You who left us now , joining nikani revealing our way of thinking towards Nikani and MNU , revealing the plans also. Who would we join now ? Neither of them wants us now cause of you. You don’t want members suicided, you just killed all members of Flank and FUN Lite. Now that would be something I would say if we don’t have a backup plan. Now to answer your post, a post made for masses.

1. We didn’t for 1 second think that you will slack that much. You werent active at all and I seriously thought that wouldn’t suck that much. You members werent trained well, werent informed, I got numerous messages from members saying that they would like to join Flank. I felt it would be unfair to pick up your members. I said about the MM thing to help you out. Since you don’t get it I wont comment any further on it.
We didn’t ask your you to step down since we didn’t want people pointing fingers at us stating that we want more and more power. I seriously wanted to get Main back in line but you disagreed. Rkw said yes but that’s his problem – he cant say “no”. He said yes to catapulting Vildkatts cropper when EAM asked. Now I even think that it was staged to make the gap between us even bigger. We have the replacement ready for you if you like, come back and we will make it happen.

2 . You reading messages ? Not likely to happen. I know that you had unread my messages for several days, other can comfirm that as well. What I send MM like “ Need urgent reinforcements , attack in 4 hours” and you reply the day after tomorrow ? Please.
Do you seriously think these guys from NwM would like to go to mibbit? I know I wouldn’t if I was them. Fun main members suffered cause of you 2. You have you 2 who don’t send MM’s and Arc who send MM’s in terrible grammar, hardly understandable. He sent MM “Every who has catapults send it on Alextopia capitol to destroy palace” – is that wtfretarded ? Immagine 4 people sending attacks – he would get many buildings destroyed.

3.Because In game forum is much easier to track. Its small , simple and effective. We were the ones getting hammers so we had the in game forum. This isnt a leadership matter anyway , its just a stupid forum, I got to know their every player , how many pop, troops and village hes is sending them from.

4. Ever heard about , restart if you started in SE and restart in NW ? Again you spam with family. Every 1 can say it “ we are family”. We are family and this is not a way to treat your family. Also I beg your pardon, a boost for SE member ? Is that like 10-15 hours trip for mercs ? Or more ?

5. Consensus wasn’t reached cause of YOU !. Cause YOU and only the 2 of YOU couldn’t bother with writing a post agreeing. Do you expect us to wait with settlers built , waiting for you to have mercy on us and agree with SH position ? Settlers are very expensive on start and having them killed was not an option, thus the MM about SH position.

6. I didn’t want war with MNU. These were choices – Merge with them – out of question , and I know you 2 don’t like merges. Or merge with Nikani – out of question , and I THOUGHT I knew that you 2 don’t like merges since you said it million of times. We could so far merge with numerous alliances but we wanted to make the best deal for us. Its is highly unfair that you now moved the leadership section. Also members must know that when Admins edit messages , you cant see that they have been edited. I can expect a lot of BS and wrong stuff said there.

You were never a people of action, you were always in doubt. Never wanted to take responsibility. We did that numerous of times – You said that war with MNU can harm our little members – Its total crap. We will all be damaged from it , not the little guys only. But look what we did , we killed over 45 000 MNU troops so far , even more 50 000.

Now speaking about the dirty diplomacy – since you know nothing of the following , since you never asked and stoped posting on forums for some time.
Nikani promised us that they will aid us in war with MNU. They didn’t. We also agreed that after MNU falls we will merge each other into alliance FUNikani. It would be a 50-50 deal alliance. Nikani promised that they will atatck MNU I repeat again , that never happened. When asked “are you going to help us or not?” their response was – “When you merge into Nikani we can talk about it”. Merging into nikani was never par t of deal. There is a difference between merging into 1 cohesion of 2 alliances , and 1 alliance merging into the other. Now you got sweettalked into this crap by people who are good on word and you fell for it ! I still ask that I am aprooved the membership on forum. This is not your forum. I feel ridiculous for even asking you to unban me. This is not the democracy you claimed that FUN is based on.

CZ

OK. I have written thousands of words today, so I will try to be brief. Apologies that I fear I will fail.

I was not on the last server. I joined FUN fairly early this server largely because of the stronghold idea and the fact that the leadership were communicative.

I think we have been going fantastically. We are strong. We are growing. We are, despite some losses, beating a much larger opponent in MNU. This is what the game is all about.

MNU. The way I see it, we have little reason to be scared of MNU. In weeks of attacks, the best they have done is chief a couple of starting villages and kill some troops in starting villages. We all knew that we would probably lose starting villages. This is not worth getting too stressed about. Yes, of course we will try hard to defend them and no we will not just give them up.

That said, we are doing great. We have killed many, many more of them than they have of us. Although if you are one of the players who has lost troops or a village, it might not feel like it, but it is true. For instance, yesterday, MNU sent over 300 waves on 14 FUN villages (all non-stronghold villages) and we won every single wave. I was personally organising a defence with over 15K troops, and that was only one of four serious defences we mounted simultaneously. I think that is amazing.

It is true that MNU have not brought in their biggest armies, but wouldn't that be really FUN - to take out a 10 or 15K hammer? Imagine the experience for your heroes! We have enough defences to do it if we work together. I can't guarantee that we won't lose more starting villages, but if they try to attack the stronghold, they are in for some nasty surprises. If we stay together. Which brings me to...

The Stronghold. The stronghold is one of the best things we have going for us. It is strong. It is working well. It requires communication so that we don't step on each other's toes (e.g. oases and croppers), but it is excellent. Splitting it is crazy, far more dangerous than MNU (or even VAO!). ;-)

Leadership. It is true, there have been some serious issues in leadership. Personally, I have tried hard to get people to talk to each other and be respectful (and if there have been points where my frustration has poked through and you feel I have been rude, I heartily apologise). There have been things said that should not have been said. There have been actions done or left undone. Fault has lain on all sides. Perhaps not equally, but all have contributed to these problems. Some were outside our control, like the difficulties that the main leaders had with Skype. Some are due to stubbornness, pride and failure to communicate. There are also different philosophies of leadership at work here, reflecting quite deep cultural differences.

It may be that some relationships are so deeply damaged, that the limitations of the internet mean that they will not be repaired through this medium. It may be that some people decide to leave as a result of today. I understand. However, I think that is the wrong choice. Although I agree there are problems, I think leaving is the wrong solution. It is unnecessary regarding MNU and it is to abandon hope regarding the relational difficulties.

Suggested solution. rkw and VV have indicated that they would like to step down but were never offered replacements. As far as I am aware, they never suggested any either. It is hard to find a good leader, who is trustworthy, able to communicate, decisive, able to listen and has the time to give to it. This failure to find a replacement lies on both sides, though it is a difficult task. If they are willing, there might be a way forward. If VV and rkw step down, and those who joined Nikani but want to stay in FUN rejoin either FUN*F or FUN LITE, we can, for the moment, function with two wings. We will keep the confed with Nikani. If you would like to return to FUN, then contact either Dootzkie for LITE or Cursez for FUN*F and they will issue you an invite.

That is my suggestion. It is not perfect, but I am afraid I need to leave now and so won't be able to check replies for some time.

Peace to you all.
BGS

BTW and FYI for anyone who cares to listen, none of us ever said one word to MNU or anyone else about anything that we posted here. However, we were made aware by them last week that they knew everything about all of the plans going down in the NW. We did not give them details - they gave us the details. We did not confirm or deny anything - we just listened.

A change I would like to see is V-La being given full control over FUN-LITE, she has shown nothing but dedication to her members and given full authority she would take FUN-LITE to new levels.

I as a member would also like to see full transparency, both sides claim they are a democracy but they are not. Do we see polls on issues like unofficial NAPs, no we don't. Have you any idea how boring you are making my game not being able to attack lame alliances like TL because you make peace for some bizarre reason. This is a war game not a sim my butt till it freezes game.

Frankly I'm sick of seeing bitchy comments being made about whose wing is better than whose and who did what to who, grow up a little the lot of you and make the alliance work. I have no reason to stay in Nikani after all I was misled there but sorry FUN*F leadership you too have weaknesses. Stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Act as a democracy like you state and not like a dictatorship and give membership the right to choose..

Good leadership comes at a cost, and that cost is trust. I trust Kait and VV. After reading what is posted here my trust remains solid in them. In all my dealings with them in this and last server they have always shown themselves worthy of my trust. In every way they have worked tirelessly with one goal: Travian is meant to be fun, try to make the best decisions for our alliance members as a whole. I still have never seen them act in any other way.

My experience with them is that they are without exception honest, trustworthy, and act from a standpoint of what is best for the group. I have never seen them act rudely or denegrating towards other members, or act self-serving, or in any way that feeds their own egos at the cost of the members. In addition, they are usually quite organized and goal oriented. When they said, "jump to this other alliance" I did it without question, unhesitatingly. I ask you: How has my trust been betrayed? What terrible web of deceit have I fallen into? What awful act of tyranny have they commited? I woke this morning feeling fine, and my villages are still there, and I'm still playing the game. And guess what? I still feel part of the group, not alienated in the least.

Last night I was told repeatedly in frantic inflammatory IGM's from BGS that there was a multitude, a vast majority of members that were very angry and felt tricked and cheated, and his IGM's entreated me to get in on the action and tell everyone how unhappy I was with Kait and VV's actions. In response I asked him repeatedly for this vast list of unhappy members he said he had collected so that I might have the freedom to speak with them myself to find out their real feelings and to see if they were being misrepresented by his opinions. My requests are still being ignored, I wait in vain for this non-existent list.

So, if you are in one of the FUN wings and are feeling left out because you didn't make the alliance switch...well, what are you waiting for?

nematode

Here, here Nema.

There was no web of lies however we were not given an explanation, moving to another meta is something something more than please quit your alliance and accept an invite to umm surprise Nikani which has nothing to do with FUN. 'Simon says jump off the cliff...'

(goes jumps off a cliff)



Bugger this I'm going back to killing people.

Any more farms I can steal off you Superyee?

Weren't we all farms? I mean I was FUN LITE and Main. That makes me a double farm right? I have actually read the posts where we were all farms....

agaric wrote:There was no web of lies however we were not given an explanation, moving to another meta is something something more than please quit your alliance and accept an invite to umm surprise Nikani which has nothing to do with FUN. 'Simon says jump off the cliff...'

(goes jumps off a cliff)



Bugger this I'm going back to killing people.

Any more farms I can steal off you Superyee?

lol, enjoy that farm

Probably...anyway all this politics really sucks, said my piece don't expect anyone to listen, they don't normally because they are so full of their own 'power' I own the alliance the kick button man and you do or I will farm you and basically screw what the small guy has to say.

Oh and FUN*F leadership removing superyee from LITE leadership 'really' sucked. He was a great team commander. Many of us wanted to fight back not sit and be the proverbial bitch.