Why We Did What We Did

superyee wrote:

agaric wrote:There was no web of lies however we were not given an explanation, moving to another meta is something something more than please quit your alliance and accept an invite to umm surprise Nikani which has nothing to do with FUN. 'Simon says jump off the cliff...'

(goes jumps off a cliff)



Bugger this I'm going back to killing people.

Any more farms I can steal off you Superyee?

lol, enjoy that farm

You bet I do!! Breeding me a big fat army thanks to you!!

agaric wrote:Probably...anyway all this politics really sucks, said my piece don't expect anyone to listen, they don't normally because they are so full of their own 'power' I own the alliance the kick button man and you do or I will farm you and basically screw what the small guy has to say.

Oh and FUN*F leadership removing superyee from LITE leadership 'really' sucked. He was a great team commander. Many of us wanted to fight back not sit and be the proverbial bitch.

hehehe....you tell them, don't let anyone push you down!

VV -

I want to explain what this decision has done to me. I have five villages, four of which are in the Stronghold. As a member of FUN, I awoke today with a new alliance name, and seemingly a new set of Confeds and NAPs. This was a total surprise.

Here are the choices you have left me:

1. Stay in this new alliance -- one that I did not agree to join. If I stay here, I am probably at odds with FUN*F and LITE. Not to mention any enemies that this new alliance has.

2. Leave this Nikie-Fun-whatever-its-called Alliance, and join FUN*F. If I do this, I am probably at odds with Niki-FUN, not to mention any/all enemies that FUN*F and LITE have.

Either way -- I am no longer in a Stronghold. I am no longer surrounded by allies. None of us are. I am surrounded now by those that I will be slow to trust. They will either be members of FUN*F/LITE or members of Nkie-FUN. So, overnight I went from being in a location where the villas around me are either my farms, or my allies. This morning, I now have farms -- and unknowns around me.

So -- no matter what type of silly spin VV and RWK want to put on this move they made, every member of MAIN is in a situation that is very much like the one I describe above.

From reading VV's post, I get the feeling that what upset her the most was that decisions were not being made with the entire alliance's best interest in mind. She alludes that Flank leadership made decisions with out consulting Main's management team. So, the answer she and RWK come up with is to fragment the Stronghold. I would *really* like to have VV or RWK explain to us, how the fragmentation of the Stronghold is good for the Alliance "as a whole"?

I await a response from either of you two.

Be careful out there,

Fog.

sad. just sad.

i am searching for hours what i will be telling here, as many people have been asking me since they saw i left to join nikani. since i realised what had just happened, i have been asking myself how i would be dealing with this. i still don't know what to think of it all, and i still need to know kaitlyn's point-of-view, wich is cruely lacking in this whole thing.

i am in a big dilemma here. i have been a FUNster for more than a year now and it was a great adventure. i have met many people that i had fun with and all that cooperation and interaction had brought trust. i had put my trust in all those original FUNsters and in the new ones. i had funny conversations, i had fights, i have helped all those people for more than a year. i have met new ones that diserved to be FUNsters immediately.

and today the whole "family" is split up in two, forever it seems.

and i can't make up my mind. no one can ask me to chose a side, as you can't ask family members to chose a side in a family fight. it's just not fair to ask this. i am dragged into something i don't feel i am a part of. a conflict i didn't search for. and now i am asked to chose a side.

unfortunately, i will refuse. i will not be chosing a side today, maybe not even later. i feel the two "sides" have made their points, i feel both sides have their good and bad sides and their good and bad points. i have to say the "betrayal" has left me a bitter taste and it will take some time to forget.

so for all those reasons i will be playing by my own for a few days, just to put things back into perspective. i would prefer to stay a FUNster, but it seems thing are not always like we want them to be. it seems some conflicts cannot be resolved between some people, and unfortunately, those persons were in charge, here and there.

i hope you guys find a way to have fun anyway, as it's the main goal of playing a game.

good luck to you all and i hope to remain friends with all the people i like. please don't hate me for not taking a side, i love people on both sides.

nematode wrote:Last night I was told repeatedly in frantic inflammatory IGM's from BGS that there was a multitude, a vast majority of members that were very angry and felt tricked and cheated, and his IGM's entreated me to get in on the action and tell everyone how unhappy I was with Kait and VV's actions. In response I asked him repeatedly for this vast list of unhappy members he said he had collected so that I might have the freedom to speak with them myself to find out their real feelings and to see if they were being misrepresented by his opinions. My requests are still being ignored, I wait in vain for this non-existent list.

Here is a representative sample of my frantic and inflammatory IGMs:

I have talked with a significant number of members, who, unlike yourself, had no idea that they were going to be switching to Nikani and do not wish to. They were simply ordered by rkw or VV to switch.

VV and rkw have always been the leaders (along with myself, I must say), who have argued for more openness and the inclusion of members in decision-making in the leadership discussions on the forum. To find them now tricking huge numbers of members into switching alliances is a shock. I did not think they were like that. I await their explanation.

Nematode, I think you seriously misread my tone this morning. I apologise if I was unclear, but I was among those feeling more than a little betrayed. I am quite happy to post all our exchange uncensored if you like. Are you?

VioletV wrote:I know that many of you are extremely upset, and I agree that you all have every right to be.

I am glad that VioletV and rkw realise that they had some explaining to do and have offered their reasoning for actions that have indeed upset many people. I appreciate the fact that they have long been amongst those who have been trying to identify certain issues in our alliance and that they want to take seriously the need to improve some of these issues. However, I happen to think that a number of choices they made about attempting to solve these issues were not very helpful. We are in further dialogue concerning these matters.

Peace,
Byron (BGS)

PS I am grateful that VioletV and rkw have allowed me back onto the forum, however, I am still quite sad that all of FUN*F and most of LITE are barred from these discussions.

PPS Tank Girl (just saw your new post) - I fully appreciate your stance feeling stuck in the middle. It can also be hard for those who are placed onto one "side" but who don't see themselves as anything but supporters of FUN.

Hello everyone. This is Incubuss421 using my buddy's account since I am banned from the forum again. I too like TankGirl feel stuck in the middle. I don't want to abandon the people that want to stay in FUN who have helped me out in the past by providing defense when needed, but I also understand the reasoning why this merger was done... for future security and strength. I think it would be beneficial if we all moved over as a wing, but this looks like it won't happen. I would like all those who have chosen the path of switching to know that you will always be allies to me, and I will help you when I can. I will not attack any of you put of respect for your decisions.

I feel that it is only fair to give further explanation in defense of VV and Kait to all of you. From the start. Things went sour with Flank and Main, miscommunication, arguments, frustration, non communication and so on from the first few weeks of the birth of flank.

Months ago when a flared argument happened between VAO, myself and a few other members and he had stepped down from leadership over a post about him being a bad guy and how he hated a group of us. This was the breaking point for myself and I talked with a few team mates, who shall remain nameless, and told them I had more than I could take and was fed up with the BS.

Then the birth of my idea of us leaving flank to be there own alliance and FUN main and LITE to be our own alliance, well my first thought was leave FUN all together and go else where or delete. I did not want to delete over the actions of one person. So things were left aside for a while.

A few weeks later another flare up involving VAO, by this time I had enough from everything the actions of one person destroying an entire alliance with secrets and treating people like they were unworthy.

We all saw that Flank was doing things and kept our leaders VV and Kait completely in the dark and acted as there own alliance, that’s when I thought its time to leave. I was angry and mentioned to kait that a few of us are going to leave FUN and start our own alliance or join one of the others. However there was a problem with that, we had all resettled in the Strong hold.

Plan B We decided the safest and best thing to do was to leave Flank be there own alliance and FUN/LITE be our own alliance and to try to find a way to remain peaceful with each other in the same area. Again things settled down and all was left alone.

Weeks had past and things were back to normal, I was happy everyone was getting along and working for once in this server as ONE ALLIANCE!!

Then I got the message the split would be happening, I thought, why? Everything is going so smoothly now and I was sad and confused on what to do. Remember it was me that mentioned the split in the first place. And within a few days everything was set and ready to go. I knew of us merging with Nikani about 2 days before it happened, what I did not know however is how they would go about doing it. I thought that we would change the banner then send invites and let whoever wanted to come with except the invite.

Things did not happen this way. I am sorry to those who feel betrayed. Everything went completely wrong. My BIGGEST apologies are to Kait and VV for backing out.

When I woke up this morning I woke up to a flood of IGM’s and PMs on skype

The reason for my backing out I’m sure you all want to know. First let me say I feel the same as TankGirl at this moment, like I’m having to choose between family members. After a long talk with some people (who again will remain nameless) I realized that everything wasn’t as it seems. I was informed that VV and Kait knew everything and they weren’t left in the dark about anything, they were just to busy to actually be fully involved and you can not blame them. I mean, it’s a game for Gods sake.
What I wonder the most is, why if you guys were not so left in the dark as everyone thought, why would you still want the split?

I wanted the split for the reason that I assumed the split happened, No communication amongst leaders, segregation of the wings, not treating everyone as equals, and again leaving leaders of the main wing in the dark about everything that was transpiring in Flankers little heads.

As for those of you who are torn, I can’t tell you to stay or go, do what you feel is the best choice. It’s your choice. I’m sorry you didn’t have the choice from the first second!
As for me and my account, I won’t give it to anyone, more then likely I will stay with FUN, and if I do not stay, I will delete. Well you now know that Kait and VV where NOT the only ones that planned this.

Best of luck to all of you and rest assured that my army will never visit your villages. If it comes to the point where I will be forced to attack, I will delete my account.

I am a newbie in this alliance and all these things confuses me. Where are we headed for after this split?
If we are talking of democracy and voicing out that people have been kept in dark then I would like to put a point that the step of secretly moving people out of FUN lite also comes under the same scanner. You are revolting because of this reason and unfortunately you are doing the same to rest of the people out here. So where does the justice lies?
And I think in the lite section people have been asking about the inactivity and silence. There were three battle groups formed for some target to be achieved in March. After half way it all went silent. There were questions about the progress of activities which remained unanswered. If this is what was cooking then it could have been put there but people were left alone taking guesses and sticking to there targets. If we have to run this smoothly somebody had to immediately take the ownership and try to gain and restore the faith among the new members.
Still I wonder what purpose is being fulfilled by this split?
I just hope that its not going to be one of the funny topics in MNU or rest of the alliances forum.

Take Care,
Nucleus

My spin, politics aside: My priority was to keep my wing members alive, no matter how I did it. For the past 4 weeks, FUN has endured attacks from MNU with no retribution ('cept 1 authorized one, by me). Attacks did land on FUN*F and Lite, but not at the numbers Main was receiving. By moving towards Nikani, I could shelter my members. By moving Lite into Nikani and Main, then changing the name, I could get MNU to back off. I am sorry for FUN*F as during our diplomacy attempts, negoiating anything was off the table if we tried to include them.

I can't be faulted for my goal of trying to keep us alive. I can be faulted for my methods, but if someone has a better idea, I wish to hear about it. While the timing of everything was bad, I couldn't open up a discussion and collect feedback. We had about 24 hours to decide how to do this (if you recall, MNU=HoT= had just pulled their NAP with us).

In speaking with BGS today, he asked if he could have access so all of FUN could hear his/FUN*F's side. While real life intervened causing a delay in giving him access, it appears he does have access back. I for one am all for re-establishing the tri-wing. However, there needs to be some changes.

First and formost, replace VV and rkw as leaders. We've been talking about this up and down since the beginning of the server. Let others who have ideas come forward and take the lead.

Second, whomever takes on the leadership roles will need to work as equals to FUN*F and FUN Lite leaders. In the just current situation, it was like 1 or 2 people making decisions and not taking points into consideration (or so it seemed).

Finally, and this is a big one, re-establish talks with MNU. They absorped the =H= wings fairly early. For those who played in the last s6, they were OMNU in the endgame. As with everything there are 2 sides, but they felt they were betrayed in the end by AOW (meta). VAO, not to touch a sore spot, but they know that you joined AOW near the end (this is key to diplomacy as MNU remembers this well). Stabilising the NW is key to the endgame. With all that has happened, I don't see it happening. Effectively, the NW took itself out of the running, especially if LoD and CWL just hurt MNU a bit.

As I won't step down unless my wing is in capable hands, I would still be around as an advisor.

Best,
Kaitlyn (part of rkw)

I feel I'm in the same situation as Tankgirl. Either way seems like a lose-lose situation.

One thing I am not very happy about is receiving an IGM from a Hera saying that FUN*F and LITE are open for farming, offensive actions within 48 hours. This really pisses me off because I have NO intention of attacking any FUN alliances. Hera obviously has no clue what an awkward position we former FUN Main members are in.

If there were good intentions to leave FUN I can accept that. But if there is any attacks on FUN*F.. essentially my friends and neighbours.. then I want to have no part in it.

Will there be peace between Nikani and FUN or not? That is the real question on my mind.

AJB

AJB wrote:

Will there be peace between Nikani and FUN or not? That is the real question on my mind.

AJB

That was why people in Main and Lite were sent invites to switch to Nikani. The idea was to shelter you. Those of us in Nikani will not target our friends. There was enough room for all Liters, all Main, and some flankers to move.

Kaitlin,

Unbeknownst to me you dragged me into an alliance I know nothing about. You send deceitful messages to LITE members. And now I find out that the alliance you dragged me into was an enemy? I am blown away. Truly floored. Shocked.

Earlier in this thread I asked you or VV a question. It has not yet been answered. Why are you avoiding it?

I will restate it for you, so there can be no excuses.

Please explain to me, how the fragmentation of the FUN alliance (which is what you planned, and carried out) was a benefit to "the alliance as a whole" to use VV 's words.

Thank you for your time.

Fog.

friends,
didnt expect this to happen we felt like brothers and sisters now in opp side.I am also in same situation like TG.Cant fight against any of my friends at all cost.I will give my acc after convincing arc too to anybody who needs it.I cant fight within the family.

The only thing i want to say to VAO,DOOTZ,CZ pls dont be rude to other members,try to understand their probs too.Also speak everything in open dont speak at back.I'll wait for a week to see if things comes back normal.If not i'll leave this server.

Thanx too all my family members(FUN) for helping me for the past 1 yr.

regards,
jj

V-la: Thanks for your post. I really respect what you have had to say.

Kait: Thanks for also posting your thoughts. I found some parts of your post more difficult to understand. Let me put some things together. It seems you have identified three main causes for your actions: (1) exclusion from leadership decisions; (2) the attitude of other leaders; (3) the threat from MNU. In summary, while I think (2) is an issue, I think that (1) and (3) are entirely non-issues. And I think that the response you made to what real problems there were has only made things considerably worse for everyone, most especially the very people you were most concerned to protect. This saddens me. I respect you and your abilities, but I do think you have made a mistake this time. Let me take some of the issues in turn.

You accuse some leaders of making decisions without consulting all the leaders, yet you were given all the same information. Nothing was held back. You had access to the leadership forum. There was no secret plan that you were not part of. However, the decision that you guys took was made without consulting the other leaders. Many people have spotted this obvious, but somewhat troubling, parallel. I understand that you feel the decision was urgent and you couldn't wait for an answer. That seems to be how some of the other leaders have felt on other matters. There are times when a decision has to be made and if no one else is around to discuss it, then whoever is present will make it. Yet there is a difference between a few people making an urgent decision when other leaders are regrettably absent, and a few people making a urgent decision that deliberately excludes the other leaders. There was no conspiracy to keep you out of the decision-making. You committed a conspiracy with the enemies of FUN.

But more worrying, you accuse FUN*F of only caring about one wing, and yet you admit here that your actions were only about securing the well-being of one wing. It is regrettably true that some of the leaders have expressed opinions that I think were inappropriate and disresepectful (and I have always tried to say so both privately and publicly when this happens), but the actions of FUN*F have contributed to making the stronghold massively more secure. Your actions have destabilised the stronghold. Selling out your friends and fellow alliance members to seek protection in an alliance that has now made their intentions clear seems like a pretty extreme way of staying alive. It is better to die honourably with your friends than betray them and run to your enemies.

As for the dire threat posed by MNU, please see my post up above. We were not in serious military trouble at all. We were doing more damage than we were receiving. Why does this not count as retribution? You knew full well why we were not attacking back. And it was precisely for the security of FUN. Fighting a much, much larger opponent who had not turned their full forces on us, we were keeping a low profile until help appeared. And we were doing extraordinarily well.

So where to from here?
Although we may disagree on some of the matters I have just discussed, it seems that we agree on at least part of the solution. Let me summarise and see if anyone disagrees:
(1) The FUN alliance, composed of multiple wings, will remain independent and not merely a subsidiary of Nikani or MNU.
(2) RKW and VV will step down from the leadership of the alliance.

I see an obvious outcome to these two moves.
(3) In the event of both (1) and (2) occurring, those who choose to remain with Nikani will have to regrettably be seen as at least indirectly hostile by those who are getting attacked by Nikani. Even if many of us will choose to not directly attack a former FUN member, anyone who stays with Nikani will belong to an alliance that is hostile to FUN. Let us be clear on that.

And then, there are some further questions that may not be as clear and on which I sense there is still quite a bit of disagreement:
(4) What will be the composition of the leadership? The leadership who had access to the leadership section of the forum before yesterday were: RKW, VV, VAO, Cursez, Dootzkie, and myself. (It is worth clarifying for some members the fact that there were two tiers of leadership. Some leaders were alliance-wide leaders and had access to the leaders' section of the forum, some were assistants who helped with the running of particular wings of the alliance).

(5) What is to be the best format of FUN wings? Two? Three? If three, then how should the third be organised and lead? I see these as open questions with a variety of possible answers. My own preference is for the short-term solution to the present crisis to be the re-absorption of all FUN members (or at least those who do not wish to stay with our new apparent enemies Nikani) into the two remaining wings (LITE and FUN*F). Those who wish to make this move can of course send a message to Dootzkie or V-la for LITE or to Cursez, VAO or myself for Flank. I suggest that it will probably make sense to re-form a third wing, but due to the scars of the present crisis, that perhaps this should not happen for a week or two, to give everyone the chance to sort out what is best. Besides, if Nikani are really about to start attacking us, then it will be battle-stations for a little while until they learn the lessons that MNU have been learning. However, I suspect that the return of most of our members to FUN will cause Nikani to lose their appetite for an attack. Let me repeat that: our greatest security lies with FUN and the stronghold, not with Nikani, who currently seem quite willing to try to turn us against our friends.

(6) What ought to be our relationship with MNU? Should we re-open talks with them? This is a long-term strategic decision for the leadership and ought to be resolved after the leadership issue is resolved. I do not think it is particularly helpful for it to be discussed here, though people are of course free to share their opinions.

If you have read all this, then you deserve a medal.

Peace,
Byron (BGS)

After vomiting for a good hour while i was reading all the stuff in this topic I have gathered strength to write my own post.

Sadly, since I am still banned I have to post this from an account.
I would like to thank gamecat and others that gave me their password. You made this post possible.

*offers a full hand of red pills*

Ill start with a showing a few IGMs i got

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I feel totally duped to tell you the truth.
I just logged on this morning to find out I wasn't in FUN!
I have to go to work now but when I get home I would like back in.
I hope we can sort this out.
Cheers
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I want back in FUN!!!
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sorry about leaving, still thought iw was part of FUN, I was tricked and never would leave FUN knowing it
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I was asked by a main alliance member to join as there are some changes..
I never knew this was all a setup..

Anyway I have settled my 2nd village very near to RKW which i will loose if i come back..
but i would n't betray an alliance who helped me in the past for selfish needs..
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Something in my gut told me, switching alliances was weird last night--now I see why. Can I come back to FUN LITE?

Thanks
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another question btw why did they do it april fool joke?
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Dootzkie wrote:

Invite has been sent.

Welcome back
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Hey dootzkie! I need an invite back to FUN Lite. Got cheated into joining nikani
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Dootzkie,
What is happening? I woke up this morning with a message that I needed to be moved to FUN, it said to accept and they would explain later. I went onto skype and spoke to Superyee and told him what I had recieved and said I was confuse so what should I do. He told me to accept. I did so and went to work. I have come home and I am not in any allience at all now. Please help or at least explain to me what has happened. I loved it in FunLite and told Superyee that this morning but he told me to leave our allience and accept the invite.
[Later Ill proved the quotation of this convo]
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yeah can i get a dahm invite plz dahm fell for VVs stupid trick
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Seams like that should be enough for now.
TG, as you can see you are not the only one that was left confused and in between two choices.

VioletV wrote:An explanation for all that has transpired over the past few hours will be posted shortly. I understand that many are panicked and confused by recent events and all I ask is that you wait until you hear the other side of the story before making any final decisions.
VV

!!!

VioletV wrote:...I ask is that you wait until you hear the other side of the story...
VV

Both sides. With one representative from one side only just let in?!
VV and Kait, there is no need to answer this question here. There are number of asking the same thing and you still, magically elude from giving the answer to them.

Opening post of this topic is full of half trues and malicious lies made up by wicked tongues.
Cursez already covered those half trues in post made by V-La so i wont get back on them.

It seams that the intentions behind this malicious betrayal were good. If it was done for the well being of the common FUN member i would like to know the following:

WHY did you ask them not to pose any questions?
WHY did you first transfer players and then change the name of the alliance?
WHY was one side totally banned from a forum that is not yours, but FUNs? [I do believe Nikani has a forum of its own]
WHY did you find it necessarily to post every that should have been top secret for everyone [maybe even Nikani/MNU spies] to see?
WHY did you delete the posts in the Application, locked the topic and made that section accessible only with a password, thus rendering it redundant?
WHY did you mention half trues in the OP [opening post]? To try to trick FUNsters again?
WHY do you [quite a few] don't respond to the IGMs?
WHAT are you afraid of?

What puzzles me the most is how this all has been done for the good of the alliance as a whole [PLEASE ANSWER VelvettFog's question].
For the well being of the whole alliance, more then 40 members were tricked, almost whole alliance was left in the dark, the SH was split, important/secret info has been made public [practically for the whole server]. For the good of FUN, players have been banned from the forum. For the good of FUN topics were locked. For the good of FUN questions are evaded. For the greater good, witches were burned in the middle ages.

Nikani F [and please lets call this foul abomination by its real name] is down to 22 members. Of that 22, a few more have expressed the wish to get back under FUNs banner. We, the REAL FUNsters will Fight United against the looming threats. Thanks to the blunder of the 'leaders' we now have another enemy knocking on our walls.

"by Kaitlyn on Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:24 am
My spin, politics aside: My priority was to keep my wing members alive, no matter how I did it."

If you want to the members alive [and it seams you are worried only about that] There is a great spot around -399/399. Where no one will bother you and you will be able to see the end of the server in peace and harmony with the wildlife from the nearby oasis. I think the members want a piece of the action. We had great defenses. Its true, we lost a few NON-SH villages, but we all made our peace with that possibility when we settled the SH

"by Kaitlyn on Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:24 am
I can be faulted for my methods, but if someone has a better idea, I wish to hear about it."

Are you asking for a better idea when all of this is done. And if I am not mistaken the effects of your faulty methods still persist. To name a few -> Banns are still on and you are still in Nikani.

"by Kaitlyn on Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:24 am
I for one am all for re-establishing the tri-wing. However, there needs to be some changes."

Tri-Wing alliance will be established [we just don't have enough space in LITE and Flank] and some changes will happen.
Asking for forgiveness is one thing... Asking that we forget is another!

"by Kaitlyn on Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:24 am
First and formost, replace VV and rkw as leaders."

This is not our business since we are not a part of the Nikani alliance. You will have to talk about this with Hera.

AND FINALLY! The post that really takes the cake! Lack of honor, valor and any other true virtue is plainly obvious

"by Kaitlyn on Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:21 am
That was why people in Main and Lite were sent invites to switch to Nikani. The idea was to shelter you. Those of us in Nikani will not target our friends. There was enough room for all Liters, all Main, and some flankers to move."

Idea of sheltering by tricking members and betraying comrades?!
Helping betrayed comrades who are in a nasty position because of you by not attacking them!?
And then persisting in your treachery by repeating that you have room in a Nikani wing. The fact of the matter is that FUNsters are proud and the have showed that they would rather stay buy their comrades and fight, rather then to be under the shameful banner of Nikani.

During the WWII Yugoslavia was offered to be in a pact with the Axis and some of the leaders accepted the treaty. Next day, the streets of the capital where full of people shouting "Bolje grob nego rob" [Tomb over slavery] and "Bolje rat nego pakt" [War over the Pact].
Parallels are obvious!

To finish of my erratic post, I'll post the most famous curse that anyone in Serbia knows. It dates from the year 1389.

Whoever is a Serb and of Serb birth,
And of Serb blood and heritage,
And comes not to fight at Kosovo,
May he never have the progeny his heart desires,
Neither son nor daughter!
May nothing grow that his hand sows,
Neither dark wine nor white wheat!
And let him be cursed from all ages to all ages!


UNITED WE STAND! UNITED WE SHALL FIGHT! UNITED WE SHALL BE VICTORIOUS OR WE SHALL FALL

A Brave Man May Fall, But He Cannot Yield